Friday, January 27, 2006

If I had a time machine...


... I would travel back to June 25th/26th 1993 for this :

43 comments:

Rasselas said...

Thanks. Now I have '80s poisoning.

Edward Liu said...

Jim Shooter Must Break You.

Anonymous said...

Man. Shooter looks so much like Tim Bradstreet's Punisher.

Anonymous said...

But according to the time-travel laws I learned reading DC comics, you would be a ghost because you were already alive then. You could then haunt Liefeld and Shooter which would be cool.

kalel666 said...

One of my fondest comics memories from the 90's was taking a piss next to Shooter at the big comic show they used to have at the Javits. I looked over and said "hey". He said "hey" back. Good times.

I remember it because A) the man is 18' tall, and B) I had to piss real bad, and one of his flunkies was tying up the urinal talking to Jim while I waited, hopping from foot to foot.

And no, I didn't peek.

Anonymous said...

I can beat that. I was in a con in '92 in North Carolina hanging out alone in the lobby with the great hawaiian-shirted george perez came and sat across from me. I had nothing on the presented me as the comic geek I was (my "spiderman's parent are back! con '92 shirt was up in the room), so I wasnt noticed. I had the joy of listening to perez vulgarly (is that w word?) bitch about marvel and the comics biz in general for at least an hour. It was bliss. Of course, my only other celeb sighting that year was getting jim kelly's autograph and telling him he was the greatest QB ever and the Bills were an assured dynasty.

Win some. Lose some....

-thebridgeisover

Bully said...

Y'know, this image, right down its composition, is only a quick PhotoShop tweak away from being a "Always Remember" meme entry.

Dan Coyle said...

A agree with KalEl- I ran into Shooter in a bar about five and a half years ago. I'm 6'1", but Shooter, he be gargantuan. If left unchecked he'll DESTROY US ALL! DESTROY US ALL! DESTROY US ALL! DESTROY US ALL! DESTROY US ALL!

Dara said...

Alas, I attended that show and was disappointed to find that both guests had to cancel at the last minute due to "unforeseen circumstances". The con organizers had a big sign up that read "Filling in for Jim Shooter will be Andre The Giant, while Rob Liefeld will be represented by Mrs. Applebaum's 3rd grade art class from Our Sister of the Epileptic ADD Kids"

Je said...

I don't remember where it's from, but I remember a gag about these photos along the lines of them being something you'd see on a milk carton. Something like:

"Have you seen THIS BOY? He was last seen with THIS MAN."

Anyway, I don't know if it would be worth it to use my time machine to see them at a convention. Now, if it was a barbed-wire cage match between the two of them, THAT might be a fun time-travel trip.

Anonymous said...

I was there, dude. It was fucking amazing! It was like Woodstock, Altamont and Monsters of Rawk combined!! Heather Thomas / Heather Locklear meth induced catfights, Tiffany Brissette and Drew Barrymore downing Jack by the case, midgets dressed as angels throwing heroin-soaked grapes into the mouths of the crowd; it's was just fucking awesome.

Nik said...

They look like the buddy cop team in some godawful straight-to-video 'Lethal Weapon' ripoff.

HE's the plucky young cartoonist who loves speed lines and hates drawing feet!

HE's the glowering harbinger of apocalypse and editor-in-chief of a swingin' comic book company!

SwanShadow said...

Based on what I've heard about each of these gentlemen over the years from people within the industry, I've always thought it ironic that their names are "Rob" and "Shooter."

SW said...

Help a brother out here...

Remember when Liefeld was doing 501 commercials, and the question was posed to him 'did you create X-Force', and his answer was in the affirmative?

How could he say that? Most of the folks were New Mutants (created long before Liefeld came along). The only one that was his creation was Cable, right? So what was he taking credit for, the naming of the team?

Dweeze said...

Is this one of those "if you could go back in time and kill Hitler as a child, would you?" things?

Anonymous said...

Back in the early 90s, I was in high school, and I thought Rob Liefeld's art was good. I admit it. That's the first step, right? Anyway, as much as I now despise Mr. Liefeld and his "creativity" (read plagiarism), I have to admit that he was pretty nice to the young afeldspar. He signed at a local comic book store, and I brought a stack of comics to have him sign, and he gladly signed them all and found some cheap ($5) art pages for me to buy (can't remember the issue, but the scene involved Spider Man, J. Jonah Jameson, and I think, She-Hulk as an attorney...) Anyway, here's to early Rob Liefeld.

afeldspar

Dan Coyle said...

DESTROY US ALL! DESTROY US ALL! DESTROY US ALL! DESTROY US ALL! DESTROY US ALL! DESTROY US ALL! DESTROY--

Interestingly enough, Liefeld used to be credited as Cable's sole creator, but in the Cable and Deadpool credits box he now shares it with Louise Simonson. Which I'm not sure Ms. Simonson would even want.

DESTROY US ALL! DESTROY US ALL! DESTROY US ALL! DESTROY US ALL! DESTROY US ALL! DESTROY US ALL! DESTROY US ALL! DESTROY US ALL!
DESTROY US ALL! DESTROY US--

Actually, Liefeld did create Feral and Shatterstar, too, of the members of X-Force. Nicieza is credited with co-creating Deadpool, which makes sense since he laid so much of the foundation of what makes the character great.

DESTROY US ALL! DESTROY US ALL! DESTROY US ALL! DESTROY US ALL! DESTROY US ALL! DESTROY US ALL! DESTROY US ALL! DESTROY US ALL!

Anonymous said...

Firstly, Liefield looks so weird in that photo that it seems entirely natural that his art would be so weird.

Secondly: "They look like the buddy cop team in some godawful straight-to-video 'Lethal Weapon' ripoff. "

Hell, they look like a second-string Eddie Furlong and Arnold Schwartzenegger in a cheap knockoff of T2.

successlessness said...

Poor Shooter I forgot what bad acne scarring he has.

Thorpe said...

Man...I'll throw my Generic "I knew a kid in high school who thought Liefeld was a genius and drew comics that aped his style" story into the ring and note that actually despite emulating all the grimacing and over cross-hatching and guys in uniforms covered with many tiny pockets who are also armed with guns the size of file cabinets...he was honestly better than most of the pro Liefield emulators around at that time.

I include various obscure Liefeld clone titles put out by small publishers back in the day. Say what you will about the bandwagoning books put out by the big 2 or Image, some of them look like true art compared to say, all four issues of THUNDERBLOODSTRIKE, the only title Certainly Doomed Books before the creators realized no one was buying their garbage and/or their meager funds were running low (Oh, if only they'd mowed a few more people's yards...).

Stephanie said...

It's the background that makes it, you know. The little doodlydads on yellow. It looks like someone's invitation to come to their TOTALLY RAD BIRTHDAY PARTY!!!!!!

TUBULAR!

GNARLY!

JAWESOME!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Now, if I could travel in time, I would go back to the set of Cleopatra (1963) to tell Elizabeth Taylor that in 1994 she would be playing Fred Flintstone's mother-in-law.

That would just make her cry.

Anonymous said...

"The little doodlydads on yellow. It looks like someone's invitation to come to their TOTALLY RAD BIRTHDAY PARTY!!!!!!"

Either that, or they're Liefeldian sperm.

Mego said...

The question is, what sort of gun would be appropriate for this mission?

Phillip said...

A filing-cabinet-sized one.

zailo said...

O K here is my toss-in. The first time I met Liefeld was so long ago that he and Valentino were still friends. However last time I ran into Jim Shooter was not at last year's San Diego but the year before. By the way I am at least as big a fan of Shooter the creator as I am of Shooter the man. A classy guy all the way. The guy hasn't hasn't changed his email or home phone in forever.

Anonymous said...

1. Have you ever noticed that Liefeld draws lots of characters in sort of a weird leaping crouch?

2. Doesn't Liefeld look kind of like, if the photo weren't cropped, he might just be in the same leaping crouch?

(word verification: "xtetzoqo", for whom many Aztecs were sacrificed.

Scipio said...

Me, too, Dave!

Because they're kind of hot.

Whoever they are.

Dan Coyle said...

Hey Dave, do you have Grant Morrison's Doom Force one-shot, where he and a buncha other artists took a good long whiz on Liefeld and Claremont? God, that was funny.

zailo said...

Way back in the 90's (that sounds weird doesn't it?) we used to hang out in the comic bok store and play a game. Everytime a Liefeld book came out we would see who could be first to find the panel or cover that Rob had swiped from. True story.

"ryewq" A bit Lovecraftian?

Paul Newell said...

In defense of Shooter, sure he's mostly remembered for the crappy way he treated other people and Secret Wars II....

....But if it wasn't for his decisions as editor in chief, would we have had the Dark Phoenix Saga, Sienkiwicz on New Mutants, Frank Miller on Daredevil, John Byrne's Fantastic Four run, Walt Simonson's Thor, Michelinie and Layton on Iron Man or Peter David on the Hulk?

What did Liefeld give us? Alan Moore's Supreme and.....uh.....a lack of feet?

Chris Arndt said...

I can beat that.

The actor who played that Star Trek space wuss Ensign Kim was blocking my way to the bathroom at my first motor city comicon.

He was standing in the farking way as I had to vent some serious warp plasma.

My only regret was not thinking to say that until I was done... but I really had to dump bad.

Stupid Trek actor was in my bloody way.

Chris Arndt said...

"How could he say that? Most of the folks were New Mutants (created long before Liefeld came along). The only one that was his creation was Cable, right? So what was he taking credit for, the naming of the team?"

It's actually kind of easy.

The membership of the X-Force team and cast were established completely in New Mutants #100. Let's go through the membership and cast.

Cable was created by Rob Liefeld and Fabian Niciesza. He first appeared in the New Mutants titles between issues 80 and 90, I believe.

Shatterstar and Feral first appeared and joined the team in New Mutants #100. Domino joined the team between issues 90 and 100. All three were created by Liefeld and Fabian.

Warpath first appeared as Thunderbird II in Claremont's run of Uncanny X-Men before it officially became Uncanny X-Men. Cannonball was an original New Mutant. Boom-Boom was an X-Terminator and before that one of X-Factor's apprentices and she joined the New Mutants late in the series.... possibly before Liefeld and/or Fabian's run but I am not certain.

Let's see, Liefeld and Fabian created X-Force with Cable, Shatterstar, Warpath, Boom-Boom, Cannonball, Feral, and Domino. They created four of the main characters and adopted three pre-existing creations for the team... but the plot, set-up, and high concept was theirs.

Also: Rob Liefeld did most of the plotting and all of the pencilling up to a certain issue and Fabian merely did all of the scripting and dialogue.

I say that Liefeld can say he created X-Force and it wouldn't be really dishonest.

I mean... Stan Lee didn't create the Human Torch and he created the Fantastic Four. You don't have to be the absolute creator of all the characters (Lee created Johnny Storm, but the image of the flaming man, as well as the powers and super-hero name came from someone else way way way back when) to truthfully claim creator status of a freaking comic, comic concept, or overall super-hero team.

sterg said...

Chris makes a lot of sense about Liefeld's taking credit for X-Force.

And I am surprised that no one's mentioned Shooter's run on Legion way before he was at Marvel. Those were some charming stories, and he was about 15 years old when he started writing them. That's pretty impressive ...

"pgvep" Wasn't she an old Spirit femme fatale?

Matt said...

is this a good place to stick a Todd McFarlane memory?

i waited in line forever to get his autograph at the chicago comicon, back when it was the comicon and not fucking Wizard World.

it was in a TENT. OUTSIDE. THAT was the scope of his grandeur and influence at thath time. hell, liefield may have been there too, for all I know.

what I remember is that of all the things I could have had him sign, I chose the cover of Mark Gruenwald's Quasar he did.

which means, yes, I was cooler as a twelve-year-old than Todd McFarlane. Or something.

Anonymous said...

Isnt it funny that comic guys would sign 50 copies of a book from one guy thats obviously going to be "unloaded" and then get offended if you try to get them to sign something that perhaps they had nothing to do with... Must be one of those artist ego things...

1991, Atlanta

Adam Hughes: Hi, er... this copy of JLA #1 wasnt done by me.
Me: I know.
Adam Hughes: I started on issue 17.
Me: I know.
Adam Hughes: Listen, if you have a copy in that bag of some of my Penthouse work that you want signed, thats cool. Its not a big deal.
Me: I know.
Adam Hughes: Its just that... I had nothing to do with this book. Its not my work. I just dont understand why you want my sig on it.
Me: I know.
Adam Huges: I guess Im going to sign this for you kid, okay?
Me: I know.


Thirteen and brimming with promise!

-thebridgeisover

Jake said...

One of the guys I go with to San Diego every year takes a stack of books he gets from the quarter box and gets artists and writers to sign stuff they had no part in producing. Last year he was proudest of his Tony Millionaire signed Ewok Adventures #12.

Adam Reck said...

I waited in Philadelphia for a good hour to meet Rob Liefeld as a young teenager. I tried to give him some of my drawings, but he was a total dickweed. The man wouldn't even chat it up with the only brand of mutant human that could appreciate his epileptic drawing style: a zitty hunch-backed afro-ed white kid. I had a much better experience waiting waaay too long to meet the fun and entertaining Jim Lee. Seems really stupid to me now - thanks Mom.

David Cutler said...

Jesus. Shooter looks like the kind of guy who'd kick your dog in the stomach and then go beat up your mom.

Liefield looks like one of his own drawings.

Why, Dave? Why?

Anonymous said...

Hey, I do have to give Liefeld credit for one thing. When he created Cable the Marvel/X-Men editors wanted him to call him "Commander X". He said no way.

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