tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post115700853955081937..comments2023-11-05T03:25:39.077-08:00Comments on Dave's Long Box: DEATHLOK Marvel Comics, 1990David Campbellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06561127611004920764noreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-23705264567643141972017-10-21T16:56:24.279-07:002017-10-21T16:56:24.279-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07287821785570247118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-67259999995736289232011-11-22T07:00:28.375-08:002011-11-22T07:00:28.375-08:00Here, I do not actually imagine it may work.
canne...Here, I do not actually imagine it may work.<br /><a href="http://www.cannedpumpkin.net" rel="nofollow">canned pumpkin</a> | <a href="http://www.howtohavesex.ca" rel="nofollow">how to have sex</a> | <a href="http://www.patentssearch.net" rel="nofollow">patents search</a>Benedictnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-1157781109319777592006-09-08T22:51:00.000-07:002006-09-08T22:51:00.000-07:00Dave, you never cease to amaze. I liked the other ...Dave, you never cease to amaze. I liked the other 'Death-ok' characters. That was pretty funny.K.Fox, Jr.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07396990506925370338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-1157619001159166202006-09-07T01:50:00.000-07:002006-09-07T01:50:00.000-07:00Hey Deathlok, Darkman called and he wants his sub-...<B>Hey Deathlok, Darkman called and he wants his sub-plot back when you're done using it.</B><BR/>Didn't Robocop do it even earlier?<BR/><BR/><B>As the series progresses, the story gets as wacky as the art. Deathlok fights these giant robot ants that look like they were designed on a budget:</B><BR/>Those guys look like the Fantastic Four's cyborg ant buddy Annihilus. In fact, I think they're in the current <B>Annihilation</B> series.<BR/><BR/>Oh and the Windsor-Smith <B>Machine Man</B> mini was top class. As was the Mike Mignola <B>Rocket Raccoon</B> mini. And the <B>Hercules Shags Around and Gets Drunk With Galactus</B> one too. Marvel knew how to put together a cracking miniseries back in the 80's.thekelvingreenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01928260185408072124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-1157570827025902842006-09-06T12:27:00.000-07:002006-09-06T12:27:00.000-07:00re: Deathlok's noseWas flipping through this week'...re: Deathlok's nose<BR/><BR/>Was flipping through this week's issue of Beyond (written by Dwayne McDuffie btw) and it appears Scott Kolins has given Michael/Deathlok his nose back.<BR/><BR/>Are you appeased?<BR/><BR/>I, for one, always really liked the guy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-1157485655000049102006-09-05T12:47:00.000-07:002006-09-05T12:47:00.000-07:00"The thing that really bugged me about Deathlok ha..."The thing that really bugged me about Deathlok had to do with the whole "Code Against Killing" thing. Not the fact that it existed, because in a Comics Code-approved book there wasn't much creative leeway as far as the use of violence. And to his credit, at least in my opinion, McDuffie used the constraints that he was writing under to make the character more three-dimensional, not to mention milking the irony of a killing machine that didn't kill for all it was worth."<BR/><BR/>It does sort of go against his name, doesn't it? I guess 'Harmlok' and 'Hurtlok' just didn't have the same kick.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-1157468740406574482006-09-05T08:05:00.000-07:002006-09-05T08:05:00.000-07:00"Who's the big guy taking a dump in the background..."Who's the big guy taking a dump in the background of the Issue 1 cover? Maybe he is "Deathlog"'s father...."<BR/><BR/>Oh, that is so hilarious!!! Thanks.<BR/><BR/>Dave, how could you have missed that? Shame on you:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-1157444084768262372006-09-05T01:14:00.000-07:002006-09-05T01:14:00.000-07:00So only the logo is cool? Only the logo has some s...So only the logo is cool? Only the logo has some sort of editorial quality control?<BR/>Mr. Campbell, the logo is intended to convey the quality of Deathlok, emphasis on the Death or Deth if I feel like spelling it that way.<BR/><BR/>The logo is pink.<BR/>Nothing about that cover has escaped the carnage of awfulness.<BR/><BR/>Oh, and Deathlok's being reworked next year as Yaoi, I hear.<BR/>Max imprint, of course.Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00661580119449756549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-1157404517048321192006-09-04T14:15:00.000-07:002006-09-04T14:15:00.000-07:00...WTF. See previous posts about going off on a t......WTF. See previous posts about going off on a tangential argument in the comments.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-1157393948384974782006-09-04T11:19:00.000-07:002006-09-04T11:19:00.000-07:00Since I really don't feel like arguing in the comm...Since I really don't feel like arguing in the comment section of someone else's blog, this will be my last post on the subject.<BR/><BR/>If I had wanted to start an argument over which cartoon is superior, don't you think I would have made that the focus of my post? Don't you think I would have listed the reasons why?<BR/><BR/>The fans may have their opinions, but it is possible to objectively compare the materials. <BR/><BR/>Actually, the fact that I wasn't an original fan means that I can have an objective comparison without being blinded by some smug sense of nostalgia.<BR/><BR/>If you compare an episode of Transformers to an episode of He-Man, Thundercats, or any of the competition (except GI Joe, which came close), you will notice that Transformers not only had better animation, but the stories were more complex, and the dialog was better. Plus you can't top the characterizations on Starscream or Jazz. And if you put aside all that "half-hour toy commercial" stigma, you have a pretty enjoyable show that blew the competition out of the water.<BR/><BR/>The movie expanded upon what was established in the first two seasons, and became more Cybertron centered. This also lended to some pretty cool concept episodes in season three, such as the ones with Starscream's ghost. There was nothing radically different about the characterizations, and no radical concept changes, they were styalistically similar, and it certainly was not a complete retooling according to the wishes of some mad director. The only difference was that the show was more focused on the Cybertron-based Transformers. Any of the characters could have fit in with the season 1 and 2 group.<BR/><BR/>[Drill Sergeant voice]You think you know how it works, maggot?! You think you're the only one that gets it?! Well f*** you long hair! I saw the tapes, I know the story, I know how it went![/Drill Sergeant voice]jblackstonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357436832232737173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-1157385864050785752006-09-04T09:04:00.000-07:002006-09-04T09:04:00.000-07:00It's Deathlog, it's Deathlog,it's big, it's heavy,...It's Deathlog, it's Deathlog,<BR/>it's big, it's heavy,it's wood!<BR/>It's better than bad, it's good!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-1157364169151814142006-09-04T03:02:00.000-07:002006-09-04T03:02:00.000-07:00Sadly, the ants that actually show up in Deathlok ...<I>Sadly, the ants that actually show up in Deathlok look cheap and awkward, like something one would see in a low-budget BBC science fiction program.</I><BR/><BR/>You mean <B>any</B> BBC science fiction programme, surely.<BR/><BR/>And those, erm, ants look nothing like ants. What the hell was the artist thinking? However, talking of BBC shows, they do look a little like something that might appear on Robot Wars.S Bateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14356657498264383431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-1157359886824196352006-09-04T01:51:00.000-07:002006-09-04T01:51:00.000-07:00Not to distract anybody from the "My 30-Minute Toy...Not to distract anybody from the "My 30-Minute Toy Commercial is better than Your 30-Minute Toy Commercial" debate by talking about Deathlok (at least the guy with a sense of humor won't be offended by me saying that, which I do appreciate), but that nose, or lack thereof, is indeed damn freaky. Kind of <A HREF="http://www.doctormacro.com/Images/Chaney%20Sr.,%20Lon/Chaney%20Sr.,%20Lon%20(Phantom%20of%20the%20Opera,%20The)_01.jpg" REL="nofollow">'Lon Chaney as the Phantom of the Opera'</A> freaky, only with better teeth. You'd think Deathlok would always be sucking in dust and cat hair and crap, since ordinarily the nose acts as a filter. Not very efficient for a high-tech cyborg, besides being hard on the eyes.<BR/><BR/>The thing that really bugged me about Deathlok had to do with the whole "Code Against Killing" thing. Not the fact that it existed, because in a Comics Code-approved book there wasn't much creative leeway as far as the use of violence. And to his credit, at least in my opinion, McDuffie used the constraints that he was writing under to make the character more three-dimensional, not to mention milking the irony of a killing machine that didn't kill for all it was worth. <BR/><BR/>But consider the fact that Deathlok was running around shooting mass numbers of people in the knees in order to avoid shooting them in the head. Getting shot in the knee is not only incredibly painful (at least according to Mr. White) but could quite possibly cripple a person for life. If there was a villain called the Maimer running around kneecapping people, heroes would be out trying to stop him and throw him in jail. But if Deathlok does it, we're supposed to think that it's noble. Not to mention the fact that there's going to be a certain percentage of motherfuckers who are going to keep trying to shoot back even after they've been shot. What does Deathlok do when he runs out of kneecaps? Shoot them in the elbows, so they can spend even more time in physical therapy?<BR/><BR/>Those are the kinds of moral and ethical contortions that the Comics Code forces writers into. And if they aren't prepared to deal with them, then they should just have Deathlok use a taser, sonic stunner, frammistat, or whatever to take people out harmlessly. It's a lot easier to achieve suspension of disbelief via comic book pseudo-science than by pretending that bullets don't have consequences for the people they hit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-1157333499886356432006-09-03T18:31:00.000-07:002006-09-03T18:31:00.000-07:00(Mr. Dave, I apologize in advance for hogging your...(Mr. Dave, I apologize in advance for hogging your bandwidth. Tell me to hush up at any time.)<BR/><BR/>--*--<BR/><BR/><I>"It was [not][<I>sic</I>] my intention to start a debate about which cartoon was superior...." -- Skip Jordan</I><BR/><BR/>Any time you lead in with, "X is dumb, Y is dumb, but Z--oh, my beloved Z!--<I>isn't</I> dumb!" kinda contradicts that. <BR/><BR/>Just sayin'.<BR/><BR/><BR/><I>"...there is no comparing Transformers to He-Man." -- Skip Jordan</I><BR/><BR/>Shrug. <BR/><BR/>I learned long ago that no one fandom obsession--especially of the retro, nostalgic, kid-oriented kind--is better than any other. Look hard enough, and you can find devotees who profess that, say, <I>Turbo-Teen</I> is unto the Second Coming of Christ himself.<BR/><BR/>"<I>Transformers: The Movie took the characters to the Nth degree. It didn't change them, it showed them act as they would in more desperate times. -- Skip Jordan</I>"<BR/><BR/>Double-shrug.<BR/><BR/>As a wee one fascinated by the Transformers, <I>Transformers: The Movie</I> felt like a kick in the proverbial junk.<BR/><BR/>To my kiddie sensibilities, the flick violated everything I had learned by watching the daily cartoon over the course of two years. According to the (American broadcast) original canon, Robots In Disguise simply did not die in battle--when they didn't shrug off injuries entirely, they just got welded by the ever-helpful Ratchet during the commercial break. And their robot forms were grounded in reality--I could look outside, and see cars, planes, heavy equipment, etc. (Ok, ok--forget the Dinobots.)<BR/><BR/><I>T: TM</I>, however, scrapped all that and pulled "A Poochie"--it amped everything TO THE XTREME!!! <BR/><BR/>Not only were the Transformers massacred all willy-nilly...but the survivors became all "futuristic." The new 'bots and vehicles made Season 3 and beyond all but unrecognizable to this diehard fan.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps I was cynical beyond my years, but this rugrat viewed the entire thing as an exercise in bloodsport and rampant commercialism ("Quick--we're out of <I>real</I> vehicles! Make some up quick, 'cuz we need more toys!")<BR/><BR/><I>"I can pick up an old comic book or watch an old cartoon and appreciate it...Heck, I didn't get into Transformers until a couple of years ago when I first saw the movie. -- Skip Jordan</I><BR/><BR/>There's a difference between a newcomer "appreciating it," and the cliched-but-not-untrue fandom-style "APPRECIATING IT."<BR/><BR/>[Hippie Burnout Voice]So, regarding these Transformers, you're just a Johnny-come-lately, eh? Me, I was <B><I>THERE</I></B>, man! You <B><I>CAN'T KNOW</B></I> what the Transformers were <B><I>REALLY</B></I> like! You're just co-opting something that wasn't yours in the first place, and <I><B>YOU JUST DON'T GET IT, MAN!</I></B>[/Hippie Burnout Voice]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-1157317357146761722006-09-03T14:02:00.000-07:002006-09-03T14:02:00.000-07:00TTWLAM,It was not my intention to start a debate a...TTWLAM,<BR/><BR/>It was not my intention to start a debate about cartoons. It was my intention to start a debate about which cartoon was superior, just to defend Transformers and it's fans. I said fandom was relative, but Transformers was always a bit higher concept then other cartoons of the time (espically given the backstory in the movie and third season). I said fandom was relative, but there is no comparing Transformers to He-Man. Besides, everyone knows He-Man was gayer than springtime.<BR/><BR/>Transformers: The Movie took the characters to the Nth degree. It didn't change them, it showed them act as they would in more desperate times. What Michael Bay has done is change them so that they can fit into his big, dumb, stupid worldview.<BR/><BR/>I can pick up an old comic book or watch an old cartoon and appreciate it. Heck, I didn't get into Transformers until a couple of years ago when I first saw the movie.jblackstonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357436832232737173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-1157298836299723492006-09-03T08:53:00.000-07:002006-09-03T08:53:00.000-07:00Deffinatly a different guy. I agree with you about...Deffinatly a different guy. I agree with you about his nose, it's freakishly... different. I gues I shoudn't really judge the art because i'm not much of an artist (drawing and such wise) myself, but alas, I am.. it does get worse, although it is better than anything I can do. <BR/><BR/>and I agree with that death dog idea, that would probably be, if not humourous, at least really fucked up.Cynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00149288926098121150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-1157267043988973122006-09-03T00:04:00.000-07:002006-09-03T00:04:00.000-07:00I was with you until you called the Transformers "...<I>I was with you until you called the Transformers "dumb". He-Man was a dumb cartoon. Thundercats was a dumb cartoon. Transformers was not dumb. Infact[sic] as far as kid's cartoons went it was one of the smarter ones. -- Skip Jordan</I><BR/><BR/>I'm pretty certain that this is a pot-kettle-black situation, Mr. Jordan. Not only is debating the superiority of one 30-minute animated commercial over another pretty questionable in the first place, but He-Man and/or Thundercat fans might be a tad peeved. <BR/><BR/>(Besides, everyone knows that He-Man rules.)<BR/><BR/><BR/><I>...all while altering the characters beyond the point of recognition. -- Skip Jordan</I><BR/><BR/><I>Transformers: The Movie</I> accomplished this feat all by itself some 20-odd years ago, due to the rampant slaughter of the Robots In Disguise (not to mention the whole Galvatron thing).<BR/><BR/><BR/><I>Watch them, and see if you feel the same way about Transformers. -- Skip Jordan</I><BR/><BR/>Nostalgia is a powerful thing.<BR/><BR/>It's unrealistic to expect an adult to come late to any childhood favorite--cartoons, comics, movies, etc--and then suddenly embrace them.<BR/><BR/>If it wasn't a part of your youth, then there's no way to "experience the magic," as it were.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-1157265325298979302006-09-02T23:35:00.000-07:002006-09-02T23:35:00.000-07:00Intergalactic John: you're thinking of the 1984 Ma...Intergalactic John: you're thinking of the 1984 <I>Machine Man</I> miniseries, taking place in the then far flung future of 2020 written by Tom "I've never met a Stan Lee plot I couldn't swipe" DeFalco in one of his better efforts, actually. The art for the first three issues was Herb Trimpe on layouts and Barry Winsdor-Smith on finishes, with Windsor-Smith drawing all of issue #4. Machine Man beats the holy hell out of the Iron Man... OF 2020 in his first appearance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-1157249245408736612006-09-02T19:07:00.000-07:002006-09-02T19:07:00.000-07:00Who's the big guy taking a dump in the background ...Who's the big guy taking a dump in the background of the Issue 1 cover? Maybe he is "Deathlog"'s father....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-1157240129740356142006-09-02T16:35:00.000-07:002006-09-02T16:35:00.000-07:00Thanks for being cool Dave. Other than that, I en...Thanks for being cool Dave. Other than that, I enjoyed the post, as usual. Of all the somewhat-popular-bloggers-who-post-humerous-articles-about-old-comics, you're one of them!<BR/><BR/>An article about fanboy entitlement sounds like an interesting idea.<BR/><BR/>Transformers holds a special place in my heart. If it weren't for "Transformers: The Movie" (1986), I would never have learned the word "shit".<BR/><BR/>Sure, some of my fanboys might go over the top, but you can't blame them for being upset. After all, this movie would never have been made if there wasn't a large fanbase. They're the reason for the movie, so naturally they want to see some of the things that make them love Transformers.<BR/><BR/>Remember, fandom is in the eye of the beholder. After all, there are even people who think Hellboy is dumb.<BR/><BR/>PS: You can buy all 98 episodes of the original series on DVD for around $11.00. Good quality too. Watch them, and see if you feel the same way about Transformers.jblackstonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357436832232737173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-1157232809820203182006-09-02T14:33:00.000-07:002006-09-02T14:33:00.000-07:00Dick or no, you have to appreciate Dan's high scho...Dick or no, you have to appreciate Dan's high school yearbook grammar: you're blog, indeed.<BR/><BR/>Your the best! Stay cool!<BR/><BR/>Deathblog(e)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-1157228385157100852006-09-02T13:19:00.000-07:002006-09-02T13:19:00.000-07:00Skip, you make a good point, thanks. Regardless o...Skip, you make a good point, thanks. Regardless of how I personally feel about the Transformers, I certainly don't mean to denigrate fans of the show. <BR/><BR/>Tell you what: I will revise the wording of my post and remove the word "dumb." <BR/><BR/>Why? I realized that I have come dangerously close to violating the Dave's Long Box mission statement by insulting people who dig Transformers. <BR/><BR/>You've given me something to think about. I think I'll do a whole post about the fanboy entitlement subject. That's bound to make me some new friends...David Campbellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06561127611004920764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-1157218205920619382006-09-02T10:30:00.000-07:002006-09-02T10:30:00.000-07:00I was with you until you called the Transformers "...I was with you until you called the Transformers "dumb". He-Man was a dumb cartoon. Thundercats was a dumb cartoon. Transformers was not dumb. Infact as far as kid's cartoons went it was one of the smarter ones. And speaking as one of those fanboys, I can say we're not upset about Michael Bay and Don Murphy for not "slavishly replicateing" the old cartoon (nobody was doubt (everybody was expecting some changes), but for that hack Michael Bay turning it into a generic crappy sci-fi movie bearing little resemblence to the original movie, all while altering the characters beyond the point of recognition.<BR/><BR/>Would you be upset if someone made a Batman movie where Batman was turned into an aneroxic male balerina who dawns a black tutu and takes revenge on everybody who called him "gay" in highschool? And how about if they got a really bad writer/director team to make it? And then how would you feel if people kept dismissing your claims as mere fanboyism?jblackstonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09357436832232737173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-1157210548182564402006-09-02T08:22:00.000-07:002006-09-02T08:22:00.000-07:00I was thinking of adding to the by-now mildly-naus...I was thinking of adding to the by-now mildly-nauseating list of spinoffs with a "Deathfog" extreme-pollution-control-measures type thing, but I think I'll just be proud and non-conformist and desist.<BR/><BR/>Just wanted to say that you have a great blog (production-line template notwithstanding). And your writing's phenomenal!eyefryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07965731594675005620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-1157200880659359162006-09-02T05:41:00.000-07:002006-09-02T05:41:00.000-07:00For some reason, the Deathlock talk got me thinkin...For some reason, the Deathlock talk got me thinking of Machine Man and his limited series from the late 80's. A bunch of hover cycle riding punk rockers rescued him from a junk pile then they spend the next 3 issues fleeing from/ sticking it to the man. Kind of petered out by the end, but there was a cool image of Machine Man heaving the battered antagonist over his head.Jon the Intergalactic Gladiatorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13758095794354686723noreply@blogger.com