tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post115380571672728937..comments2023-11-05T03:25:39.077-08:00Comments on Dave's Long Box: AVENGERS ANNUAL #16 Marvel Comics, 1987David Campbellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06561127611004920764noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-57575816824134933302019-06-04T04:28:44.063-07:002019-06-04T04:28:44.063-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.rakeshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07928791835319269139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-37503313364250981212017-03-07T20:44:00.155-08:002017-03-07T20:44:00.155-08:00Thank you for sharing. please visit here for more ...Thank you for sharing. please visit here for more info:<br /><a href="http://packersmoversvijayawada.in/" rel="nofollow">Packers and Movers Vijayawada</a><br /><a href="http://packers-movers-ahmedabad.in/" rel="nofollow">Packers and Movers Ahmedabad</a><br /><a href="http://packers-movers-kolkata.in/" rel="nofollow">Packers and Movers Kolkata</a>selvaramyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08533092064875892828noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-12746205500136869442015-11-30T01:22:50.115-08:002015-11-30T01:22:50.115-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16760892008314173976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-31211430244020023102008-08-29T15:46:00.000-07:002008-08-29T15:46:00.000-07:00Come back, Dave. Come back. Ughh, all we have are ...Come back, Dave. Come back. Ughh, all we have are the memories ...Pj Perezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16212543299436821697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-1155934247982707102006-08-18T13:50:00.000-07:002006-08-18T13:50:00.000-07:00Man, I'd been seriously collecting comics for mayb...Man, I'd been seriously collecting comics for maybe a year when this came out. Thank God I'd scored a used copy of OHOTMU Deluxe or I wouldn't have known who half the dead guys were. My partial ignorance also shielded me from knowing how lame some of the defeats were, so that helped. Some good memories: <BR/><BR/>Pym in his most common sense incarnation, like Dave said. Literally the guy who has everything--like having a Utility Belt that holds a warehouse full of stuff. He even carried a shrunken plane (that talked). But that's not a jumpsuit, it's a speed suit. (Heh.)<BR/><BR/>Wonder Man being a mullet-headed dick, talking smack to everybody and getting taken down by pretty much the same everybody.<BR/><BR/>Mockingbird being weak and lame and useless, but you were glad that at least Hawkeye was getting some on a regular basis. <BR/><BR/>Captain Marvel (female), She-Hulk, and Wasp all demonstrating that no female character will be allowed to get too powerful for too long in the Marvel U. (See also: Carol Danvers/Ms. Marvel/Binary/Warbird/Ms. Crotch Spelunker.)<BR/><BR/>Moon Knight being pretty much out of his league every month. He and Mockingbird could have started a club.<BR/><BR/>Firebird guest starring with the West Coast team, as <B>matt t.</B> mentioned. She was a hot piece of Latin flava until she met Jesus, covered up the goods, and started calling herself La Esperita. <BR/><BR/>Dr. Druid proving every month that no man, especially not a middle-aged one, should wear snug red tights with a purple cape. <BR/><BR/>Hawkeye was the MF'in Man back in those days, putting all those many years of experience to work leading the West Coast team. He was a good guy, but never forget that he grew up as a carny. Rules were made to be broken, and Hawkeye was the closest that any Avenger will ever come to being Bender on <I>Futurama</I>. With all that "Do it! Do it! Do it!", you couldn't rule out the next panel showing Hawkeye goading the Grandmaster into doing a beer bong. And then talking him into mooning Death after he got the blue guy hammered. That was the magic of Hawkeye.<BR/><BR/>Cap isn't stupid--although some writers always seem to think he is--so he really shouldn't have been surprised at Clint pulling a fast one. He knows him better than that, but maybe having to kill that asswipe Dead Bucky threw Cap off his game a little. <BR/><BR/>So Bendis killed Hawkeye? Obviously I'm out of touch. That sounds like BS, but Marvel deaths are meaningless anyway, as this annual proved. And it's no more BS than Hawkeye losing to Gambit in <I>Contest of Champions II</I>. (Hawkeye sez: "Let's see, I've got gimmick arrows that can do the <I>one thing</I> you do, but at much longer range. Plus I have 50 other gimmick arrows that do things you <I>can't</I> do, and I've been taking on people way more powerful than me (and you) for my entire career--way longer than yours, by the way--and I'm still standing and cracking wise. But you win because you have an 'X' on your costume?") Stupid fanboys. <BR/><BR/>Ed Brubaker brought back Bucky? Did he resurrect Uncle Ben while he was at it? Yeesh!<BR/><BR/>But all of the senseless carnage in this annual could have been forgiven if Grandmaster had just given us a performance of "White Lines". Even Death couldn't resist funk on a cosmic level like that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-1154458608969322632006-08-01T11:56:00.000-07:002006-08-01T11:56:00.000-07:00After reading about these baseball scenes, I'm hav...After reading about these baseball scenes, I'm having thoughts of Barry Bonds getting the Power Cosmic. How do you test for that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-1154025439995446032006-07-27T11:37:00.000-07:002006-07-27T11:37:00.000-07:00I love stories where Somebody Kills all of the Ave...I love stories where Somebody Kills all of the Avengers, unless they kill them all in a suburban living room without even breaking the windows.The Mutthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09149977320388415139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-1154012088792277372006-07-27T07:54:00.000-07:002006-07-27T07:54:00.000-07:00OK...Geek Trivia time.I had read...somewhere...in ...OK...Geek Trivia time.<BR/><BR/>I had read...somewhere...in some official Marvel "we don't make mistakes...No. Really." handbook, where it ISN'T REALLY the DEAD that are being brought back.<BR/><BR/>It's the MEMORY of the character that is BELIEVED to be dead by the living.<BR/><BR/>SO, you can have "dead" Bucky, Green Goblin and Nighthawk who were all REALLY alive and kickin' and hanging out in Paris with Jim Morrison at the time.<BR/><BR/>Just for completists sake, I have to mention that NIGHTHAWK, whom no one addressed as being alive, ALSO wasn't dead at the time, just BELIEVED to be dead.<BR/><BR/>He had really been secreted away to his mansion - where NO ONE would EVER think to go, and he lay in a coma for...years? Months? Gah! Marvel time is whacked.<BR/><BR/>I was always amazed that the Grandmasters HEARING must SUCK so much he couldn't pick up that "snak" sound effect of the arrowhead being snapped off the shaft.<BR/><BR/>All that time spent playing the slots can ruin your hearing.<BR/><BR/>Those damn things are LOUD!<BR/><BR/>~P~<BR/><BR/>P-TORAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-1154011847794517362006-07-27T07:50:00.000-07:002006-07-27T07:50:00.000-07:00I believe "Guice" rhymes with "lice".I believe "Guice" rhymes with "lice".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-1153984363108204832006-07-27T00:12:00.000-07:002006-07-27T00:12:00.000-07:00Wait... so is Jackson Guice's last name pronounced...Wait... so is Jackson Guice's last name pronounced "Goose"? "Juice"? "Goyce"? "Gwees"?<BR/><BR/>It used to break my mind as a kid. Still does, actually.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-1153932364934511312006-07-26T09:46:00.000-07:002006-07-26T09:46:00.000-07:00I DON'T love this comic book. I DO love Dave disc...I DON'T love this comic book. I DO love Dave discussing this comic book.JGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17615415808494881121noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-1153930453391920872006-07-26T09:14:00.000-07:002006-07-26T09:14:00.000-07:00I love this comic book. I'm not a fan of Tom DeFal...I love this comic book. I'm not a fan of Tom DeFalco most of the time, but I LOVE THIS COMIC BOOK.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-1153928664602535922006-07-26T08:44:00.000-07:002006-07-26T08:44:00.000-07:00I'm with Dave; this is a totally fun issue.But, I ...I'm with Dave; this is a totally fun issue.<BR/><BR/>But, I call shenanigans every time someone tries to paint Captain America as being surprised or aghast that someone would cheat.<BR/><BR/>The guy fought freakin' <I>Nazis</I>, for Pete's sake. Not only should he know that at one point or another in a battle lots of fighters cheat, he should also know how to do so. To beat a cheater you have to cheat yourself, doncha?<BR/><BR/>Captain America must therefore really be a big cheatypants. But history is written by the winners, so who cares?Bullyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11708103213119467419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-1153922941022435802006-07-26T07:09:00.000-07:002006-07-26T07:09:00.000-07:00This story (and the previous year's annuals) were ...This story (and the previous year's annuals) were some of the first comics I read. Loved 'em, and always will! Good to see so many people remember these great comics. Thanks for the review, Dave.<BR/><BR/>Oh, and Dracula never touched the Black Knight. The Lord of Darkess didn't have to. Ol' Dane was stalemated, fighting his ancestor in a sword battle of equal skill. In the previous part of the story he got tricked and knocked out by Moon Knight. Man, BK really got no love until Bob Harras gave him five o' clock shadow, long hair, a leather jacket, and a lightsaber, and had him lead the Avengers. In fact, I'd say those five things should be marketed as a five-step program to become totally rad.<BR/><BR/>You forgot to mention some totally @#$% Yeah! moments in this annual:<BR/><BR/>-Mockingbird putting the beat-down on the Red Guardian. She takes his crimson-spandex-wearing commie self to the cleaners!<BR/><BR/>-Silver Surfer going out like a total stud. He and Korvac are grappling in outer space. Korvac uses his cosmic powers to melt the Surfer's silver shell right off of him (a pretty sweet move that I don't think anyone else has ever done) and the Surfer begins to die in the vacuum of space. But Korvac forgets that they are grappling on top of the Surfer's cosmic surfboard, which the shiny guy controls with his thoughts. Korvac is all gloating, then realizes that the Surfer is steering them directly towards the bomb! You don't mess with the Silver Surfer, dude! He was all like, "Michael Korvac, you may be killin' my silver butt, but I'm taking your sorry self wit' me!" Classic scene.<BR/><BR/>-Wonder Man was one heck of a cocky tool during this period of Avenger's history. I couldn't wait to see him get smacked around a little, and this story had it happen not once, but twice. After knocking Thor around a bit in the West Coast annual, he gets a little Mjolnir sandwich and is laid out like a punk. Then in this annual, Hyperion kills Wondy by flying him INTO A SUN. Soon after this Wonder Man became a nice guy again. Having your butt whipped repeatedly tends to have that effect on people.<BR/><BR/>I thought it was lame how the female Captain Marvel went out, too. Even when I was eight years old and read that I was like, "No way!" Monica should have been able to put the smackdown on Drax, Mar-Vell, Death Adder, Green Goblin, then defused the bomb, while She-Hulk, Tigra, and Moon Knight played cards or something.<BR/><BR/>I did wonder about the fatal blast the Goblin nails Moon Knight with, though. Why didn't ol' Norman ever do that to Spider-Man? <BR/><BR/>And I agree, too, that the Wasp started to go downhill at this point. Roger Stern had built her up as a tough-as-nails, take-no-crap-from-nobody heroine with super strength and laser beams that could blow people through walls. Suddenly she began just flitting around, zapping people with "stings" that seemed to be just as effective as shining a laser pointer on them, and being all whiny and annoying. This is the lady who kept Hercules and Sub-Mariner in line, who defeated Absorbing Man and Titania, and who led the Avengers? Every writer since then is guilty of making the Wasp out to be weak and they should be forced to make public apologies for it, by golly. Bendis? Guilty. Byrne? Guilty. Johns? Guilty. Austen? Guilty. I could go on and on. It's like these guys read no Avengers comics except the ones written by Stan Lee or Roy Thomas.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-1153922137176925352006-07-26T06:55:00.000-07:002006-07-26T06:55:00.000-07:00Those arrows were too short to actually be shot ou...Those arrows were too short to actually be shot out of his bow anyway, so he might as well use them for a parlor trick.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-1153921562356347192006-07-26T06:46:00.000-07:002006-07-26T06:46:00.000-07:00Someone brought up the initial "dead Avengers figh...Someone brought up the initial "dead Avengers fight each other" that is part one of this two part annual (I think that was the West Coast Avenger one), but didn't mention how stupid the fight was. <BR/><BR/>Each side believes that they have the only way to get out of the death dimension, so they must fight the other to subdue them so they take them along. Fair enough.<BR/><BR/>But with the stakes this high, how would you settle this? One team battling the other until only one side is left standing? Not these Avengers! Perhaps still influenced from their baseball game, they face off in one on one contests to make it a best of seven series! WTF?<BR/><BR/>And sorry, but the battles were lame. Almost all of the battles follow the same pattern: The eventual winning Avenger runs away from the losing Avenger until he pulls a trick out of his butt to save the day. The only exceptions were the Thor-Wonder Man slugfest, and Pym vs. Wasp (which unfortunately Pym did not win by unshrinking a 40 oz. bottle of malt liquor and beating up the Wasp in an alcoholic rage.)<BR/><BR/>The story also never directly addresses whether the 20% of the universe that was destroyed was also brought back to life by Death, or just the Avengers. <BR/><BR/>But the absolutely worst part of this travesty is that when they get back, how does each member handle the experience? Is there even the briefest reflection on their mortality, on how what they encountered after their deaths affects their spiritual and religious beliefs? <BR/><BR/>Nah. "Cap, after everything we've been through, we deserve some fun!" "Mockingbird's right! Let's play ball!"<BR/><BR/>This was the suckiest annual combo I ever read. It literally turned me off of comics for several years. Boy, it feels good to get that off my chest. Thank you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-1153916238554298482006-07-26T05:17:00.000-07:002006-07-26T05:17:00.000-07:00I am not mistaken, for this story takes place in t...I am not mistaken, for this story takes place in the greatest alternate universe of all... The Human Imagination!<BR/><BR/>But yeah, Roel is correct, this story technically takes place in the 616 universe. I guess I should have just called it Everybody Dies Week. Ah well! Too late now. Ha ha ha, isn't life grand?<BR/><BR/>Roel, email me at ddcampbell@gmail.com and I will send you an official Dave's Long Box Un-Prize!David Campbellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06561127611004920764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-1153906737379256952006-07-26T02:38:00.000-07:002006-07-26T02:38:00.000-07:00For me the best part is the end, just after it was...For me the best part is the end, just after it was revealed that Hawkeye cheated, and they try to depict Death as laughing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-1153902604539472962006-07-26T01:30:00.000-07:002006-07-26T01:30:00.000-07:00Dave: are you sure this was an alternate universe?...<I>Dave: are you sure this was an alternate universe? </I><BR/><BR/>Yeah - like Roel said. I haven't read this annual but it sounds like this is the usual 616 universe. They all die near the end but are brought back to life by Death! <BR/><BR/>So this isn't an Alternate Reality Where Everybody Dies. You... cheated?!?S Bateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14356657498264383431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-1153894748766493372006-07-25T23:19:00.000-07:002006-07-25T23:19:00.000-07:00Dave: are you sure this was an alternate universe?...Dave: are you sure this was an alternate universe? It doesn't appear that way from the details in the write-up, but I haven't read the actual comic, so I might be mistaken.<BR/><BR/>Keep up the good work,<BR/>RoelAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-1153893419340378232006-07-25T22:56:00.000-07:002006-07-25T22:56:00.000-07:00Dave, I have the audio to go with your new icon:Oh...Dave, I have the audio to go with your new icon:<BR/><BR/>Oh, what a feeling to drive...<BR/>F*&% Yeah!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-1153892627572088442006-07-25T22:43:00.000-07:002006-07-25T22:43:00.000-07:00My favorite part of this most excellent comic is t...My favorite part of this most excellent comic is the epilogue, wherein after spending the afternoon saving the universe, the Avengers resume their interrupted baseball game, but since Hawkeye has told Cap how he saved the universe, Cap tells Thor to keep an eye on Hawkeye because he's a cheater!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-1153887203610833152006-07-25T21:13:00.000-07:002006-07-25T21:13:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.lostinubehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04343082700103486584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-1153881416488514862006-07-25T19:36:00.000-07:002006-07-25T19:36:00.000-07:00I'd love to see that episode of MTV Cribs.I'd love to see that episode of MTV Cribs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-1153867965251588712006-07-25T15:52:00.000-07:002006-07-25T15:52:00.000-07:00I never understood why the Elders had to be limite...I never understood why the Elders had to be limited to one particular field of expertise. Like gameplaying. Or collecting. Or contemplating. Or gardening. C'mon - you're alive for a billion years and a mastery of plants is all you have to show for it?<BR/><BR/>If I were an Elder, my trophy room would be totally bitchin'. This is how I'd roll...<BR/><BR/>"Ah yes, this is the planet of gold I made in the epoch when I mastered molecular manipulation. This giant helmet is from when I mastered Savate, and kicked Galactus' massive arse. He ain't gettin' it back, yo."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com