tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post769435955730282197..comments2023-11-05T03:25:39.077-08:00Comments on Dave's Long Box: CIVIL WAAAAH! Marvel Comics, 2007David Campbellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06561127611004920764noreply@blogger.comBlogger58125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-71901837603856103732011-11-05T07:23:28.811-07:002011-11-05T07:23:28.811-07:00Little doubt, the dude is completely just.
steel b...Little doubt, the dude is completely just.<br /><a href="http://bookville.info" rel="nofollow">steel buildings</a>Brittonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-8771439542360338252007-11-23T13:25:00.000-08:002007-11-23T13:25:00.000-08:00@West: I agree with you. The only basis for my agr...@West: I agree with you. The only basis for my agreement is a dim recollection of the '90s cartoon, and a scene where Gambit, Bishop, and Wolverine are playing cards. Bishop and Gambit get into an argument, but Bishop's all cocky because Gambit said something about energy. They go on for a bit, and then Wolverine pops the claws. Bishop and Gambit clam up. Easy enough to chalk up to making Wolverine look like a badass, but I interpreted it as meaning that you could smack Bishop upside the head with something and hurt him, but lasers were out.<BR/><BR/>The thing abouts mutants, even as jackassy as it is, is that it's true. Captain America and everyone should've been all over stuff like Sentinels and Mr. Sinister's weapon x death camp. As lame as it would've been, a line from Reed or Tony along the lines of, "the mutants won't be a problem; our manipulation of the superhero community to keep them out of mutant affairs has created exactly the sort of resentment that makes the mutant community refuse to participate." Or even simpler, "our mustache twirlingly evil plan's working: the mutants are hanging out in their little fort and won't get involved." Even reduced to ~198, mutants still have a lot of powerhouses on their side.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-48208662194528225372007-03-16T18:39:00.000-07:002007-03-16T18:39:00.000-07:00Also: if we calculate how much sales come for an i...Also: if we calculate how much sales come for an individual issue for a given month, every month that that comic does not come out on schedule is that much money literally out the window for the company.<BR/><BR/>If Marvel actually sued their creators, or punished them somehow, for the lost profits, then they would actually be professional.<BR/><BR/>These companies lose money when the comics do not come out.<BR/><BR/>They are unprofessional. I despise them.<BR/><BR/>That reminds me. My last employers never paid me. My employment was rightfully terminated in November, as contractually stated in August. Two or three or four months have passed and I have not been renumerated for my work. Now I am mad.Chris Arndthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01321490069571209332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-80298116161199284632007-03-16T18:36:00.000-07:002007-03-16T18:36:00.000-07:00I've read some terrific stomping morons (who shall...I've read some terrific stomping morons (who shall remain nameless) as well as some benign, innocent ignorant otherwise intelligent folk who tried identifing good guys with left-wing liberalism in this crap and the bad guys as authoritarian right-wingers because conservativism just has so much in common with ultra-authoritarianism.<BR/><BR/>Bah.<BR/><BR/>Written correctly by thinking people who know stuff about politics... Civil War with its super-hero registration crap is all about two conflicting notions of Conservative stuff: "law and order" versus traditionalism.<BR/><BR/>Seriously, the anti-reg stance is a call for vigilantism, but since vigilantism is how super-heroes' standard operating procedure and methods run about... in the Marvel Comics universe for all time, then being a proponent of that is defending how things were.<BR/><BR/>Defending how things have always worked is defending against a law and order mentality.<BR/><BR/>Apparently such ideas make people's heads go boom!<BR/><BR/>Then again we throw out all the political analogues once we start mind-controlling super-villains and throwing vigilantes into cosmic gulags.... and growing Digital Cyborg Evil Gods.<BR/><BR/>Honestly though: can you really punch a neat circular hole in something/someone with a lightning bolt?Chris Arndthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01321490069571209332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-77956362484214727402007-03-04T09:29:00.000-08:002007-03-04T09:29:00.000-08:00Although, I agree that Marvel needs to be able to ...Although, I agree that Marvel needs to be able to publish books on time, I also agree with their decision to allow McNiven to finish the book. I absolutely hate it when fill-in artists are used. They're usually not nearly as good as the regular artist either. Come on, Reed is smarter than that. He would be able to find a better way than to clone Thor and sic it on his friends. Like you said, if he is smart enough and willing to save Galactus, he definitely could have figured out an alternative way of dealing with his former allies. The Spider-Man neck kicking panel and the panels leading up to it were amazing... no spectacular. There were obvious parallels in Civil War and Kingdom Come. The former being not nearly as good as the latter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-537313084910264302007-03-04T09:08:00.000-08:002007-03-04T09:08:00.000-08:00Ah, I see. Justice 2 is in stock on Amazon dot com...Ah, I see. Justice 2 is in stock on Amazon dot com, but <I>three months away</I> on Amazon UK.<BR/><BR/>leaves me wondering how many years I'll have to wait for <A HREF="http://forevergeek.com/cartoons/supermandoomsday_animated_film_to_be_pg13.php" REL="nofollow">this</A> enticing thing!Mikeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09639836396121576665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-3810478606978013162007-03-02T10:30:00.000-08:002007-03-02T10:30:00.000-08:00I've enjoyed *The reactions of the comic blogs as ...I've enjoyed <BR/><BR/>*The reactions of the comic blogs as each new horror hits the stands;<BR/><BR/>*The 'Mark Millar Blows Goats' Nextwave cover;<BR/><BR/>*Sitting back and imagining what the Avengers:Maine, Avengers:New Hampshire and Avengers:Vermont contingents of the 50 States Initiative are like.<BR/><BR/>Apart from that, God, what utter dreck.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-47475204469524115022007-03-02T10:29:00.000-08:002007-03-02T10:29:00.000-08:00I'm old, I don't understand the pointbehind 'House...I'm old, I don't understand the point<BR/>behind 'House Of M' or 'Ultimates'<BR/>or 'Civil War' or '52' or whatever<BR/>30000 issues DC hired Grant Morrison<BR/>to write. Or maybe there are 400 different comics I forgot to see or buy.<BR/>I go to the comic store and I have<BR/>no idea what is going on! This is worse<BR/>than when X-Men split into 15 different<BR/>titles in alternate timelines. LINEAR<BR/>TIME, PEOPLE.drwsrwsrwxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04689722105819791024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-36609445636072194372007-03-01T20:34:00.000-08:002007-03-01T20:34:00.000-08:00Great review - I'm not looking forward to a world ...Great review - I'm not looking forward to a world of government run Super Heroes - blah!Brian Hancockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04203740068837261330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-37079185564741224042007-03-01T15:29:00.000-08:002007-03-01T15:29:00.000-08:00I can't believe I'm the first to comment on this.....I can't believe I'm the first to comment on this...<BR/><BR/><I>If you want to get all logical and shit, any of the following elements in the Marvel Universe would irrevocably alter the fabric of modern civilization:<BR/><BR/>.<BR/>.<BR/>. Atlanteans<BR/>. Sentinels<BR/>. <B>Stilt-Man</B></I><BR/><BR/>brilliantThe Girl in Blackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17301930679613329351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-5775723436165518632007-03-01T14:27:00.000-08:002007-03-01T14:27:00.000-08:00Dave's griping, he's griping, he's griping in his ...Dave's griping, he's griping, he's griping in his plaid shirt :)Tim Easyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05751889863686192262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-54527943219388267722007-03-01T12:20:00.000-08:002007-03-01T12:20:00.000-08:00I"m going to go work on being the real world Stilt...I"m going to go work on being the real world Stilt Man!Randyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18064970472495406564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-68705983924382188302007-03-01T12:15:00.000-08:002007-03-01T12:15:00.000-08:00I agree with your points about lateness. As a publ...I agree with your points about lateness. As a publishing company, Marvel should be embarrassed by its inability to keep a schedule. How often is Newsweek or the New York Times late? As a comics fan, I feel somewhat insulted that Damon Lindelof can walz in with Ultimate Wolverine vs the Hulk and not give a damn about finishing it. Same with Kevin Smith. They're two celebrities slumming in comics and then returning to their more repectable careers when it suits them.BigSleep666https://www.blogger.com/profile/08017050814033304514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-36514726685747566432007-03-01T11:15:00.000-08:002007-03-01T11:15:00.000-08:00Not that anyone seems to be responding to my point...Not that anyone seems to be responding to my points in this veritable sea of fandom, but I don't think Bishop absorbs kinetic energy like Shaw does.<BR/><BR/>I think some writer may have screwed that up, once, but I think Shaw takes a punch and gets stronger while Bishop gets struck by lightning and gets stronger.<BR/><BR/>Aim a laser at Shaw and a two-by-four at Bishop and they're done.<BR/><BR/>Of course, feel free to correct me, if my info's out-of-date.Westhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06305755944694741335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-43704154330817192092007-03-01T10:57:00.000-08:002007-03-01T10:57:00.000-08:00Also, yeah. Wtf. Cap should know that kicking Bi...Also, yeah. Wtf. Cap should know that kicking Bishop wouldn't <I>actually</I> do any good, and would probably bite him in the ass.<BR/><BR/>More importantly, MARK FUCKING MILLAR AND STEVE MCNIVEN SHOULD KNOW WHICH CHARACTERS HAVE WHICH POWERS.<BR/><BR/>Really. They had an entire battlefield full of heroes and villains, and they have Cap kick the one guy who absorbs kinetic energy? That's just stupid.Erichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08861583120694308483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-31054030457681895052007-03-01T10:19:00.000-08:002007-03-01T10:19:00.000-08:00Dave, I love you.I need all the business-suit-Rele...Dave, I love you.<BR/><BR/>I need all the business-suit-Relevant-Content-Week! images I can get.<BR/><BR/>That is some hilarious shit.<BR/><BR/>And yeah, Civil War was at least interesting for the first half of it. 5 and 6 were downhill, and then 7 was just absymal.Erichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08861583120694308483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-83156721035967027882007-03-01T09:34:00.000-08:002007-03-01T09:34:00.000-08:00http://s165.photobucket.com/albums/u51/The_Mutt_pi...http://s165.photobucket.com/albums/u51/The_Mutt_pics/?action=view¤t=ironmanb.jpg<BR/><BR/>heh heh... bag of dicks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-79963602926292147192007-03-01T08:51:00.000-08:002007-03-01T08:51:00.000-08:00While I'm at it, more that just absolutely ****** ...While I'm at it, more that just absolutely ****** me off:<BR/><BR/>* Ben Urich's complicity in covering-up Stark's profiteering.<BR/>* The implication that since his profiteering resulted in a fund for firemen and policemen ... that makes it okay.<BR/>* Sally Floyd's "new objectivity". Come again? I can't imagine being more subjective than aiding in this cover-up. Unless it's spearheading the ambush on Cap that she performed. Does this new Urich know what 'objective' means?<BR/>* Cap expressing his desire to apologize to Tony. Double-yoo-tee-eff. 'Futurist' or not, Stark is a diletante. No way that Cap bends his knee to that bag of dicks.<BR/>It's only once in a blue moon that Cap becomes an interesting character. He had been recently, and they are blowing it by turning him into a p***y of epic proportion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-18052627340724300532007-03-01T08:35:00.000-08:002007-03-01T08:35:00.000-08:00apk,"However, I nearly ripped my comic in half whe...apk,<BR/><BR/>"However, I nearly ripped my comic in half when Sally Floyd had the nerve to dress down Cap' for not knowing what Myspace, NASCAR, or Paris Hilton are-- for it was the most absurd moment in the history of comic books."<BR/><BR/>This is almost identical to the reaction I had. If it weren't for the fact that my wife was wanting to read it, I would have torn that comic to bits. I may still, once she's read it. I desperately want a Frontline #11 shaped hole in my collection.<BR/><BR/>Before reading it... earlier yesterday ... I was commenting to a friend that CW:The Return was the worst comic I have read in years. Well, it's looking pretty good now.<BR/><BR/>I've been trying to convince the wife not to read it. I'm telling her it's all duckies and bunnies and she should be satisfied with that... anything to spare one I love this horrid, horrid book.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-29158944580715618222007-03-01T08:21:00.000-08:002007-03-01T08:21:00.000-08:00Sig, thanks for bringing up Frontline. Somehow, I...Sig, thanks for bringing up Frontline. Somehow, I stomached both the entire Civil War and Frontline series. I enjoyed the art, some of the big "holy sh!t" moments, and the scope of it all, despite the story's numerous shortcomings. However, I nearly ripped my comic in half when Sally Floyd had the nerve to dress down Cap' for not knowing what Myspace, NASCAR, or Paris Hilton are-- for it was the most absurd moment in the history of comic books. Apparently, because Cap stands for more than shallow consumerism and Celebreality, he can no longer stand for/protect America or its ideals. <BR/><BR/>Truly, if this issue would have been well-written, Cap would have stopped sulking, stood up, and dressed HER down for being more concerned about footing the repair bill as a taxpayer than looking at the big picture, ie: the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence. He should have told Sally that claiming that Cap' is too old-fashioned and out of touch to be any service at all to a nation he's been selflessly defending and believing in since her parents were zygotes is akin to saying that the aforementioned liberty documents cannot be applied to the world we live in today because they're really old, too, and Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, John Adams, John Dickinson, and friends never foresaw the advent of the BK Stacker. At the VERY least, he should have busted out the speech that he fed to Spider-Man a couple of months ago in "AS-M". <BR/><BR/>Furthermore, I outright REFUSE to believe that the Captain America written by Ed Brubaker for the last 2+ years doesn't know what NASCAR, Paris Hilton, etc. are. This is not the Ultimate Cap', the one that's fresh out of ice and totally alone and out of touch with the times. This is the 616 Cap', a savvy, educated man that's been living in the modern age for more than 10 years now. He's well-adjusted! And since he would NOT like what American culture has devolved into, (in fact, i'd venture that he'd be rather disgusted) I'm CERTAIN that the Ultimate Tactician/Living Embodiment of the American Dream and its Ideals, would be up-to-speed on the ins and outs of shallow consumerism and Celebreality, if for no other reason than he realizes that you have to know your enemy. He'd want America to be more than just that, and he would NEVER allow Sally Floyd to wave those particular banners as though they are something to be proud of. <BR/><BR/>Thank God Civil War is over, and Ed Brubaker can have his toy back, and get to work fixing him.apkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09427295660469676964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-50650075926516106922007-03-01T04:58:00.000-08:002007-03-01T04:58:00.000-08:00As frustrating and dissatisfying an ending as Civi...As frustrating and dissatisfying an ending as Civil War had, it took until this weeks Civil War Front Line #11 to get my blood really boiling.<BR/><BR/>Ben Urich has been forever destroyed as a character, and where the hell are they going with bitching out Cap for not reading myspace or going to a Nascar race. These are important ideals now?<BR/><BR/>In retrospect, I guess this is kinda true to life, though -- this 'man of the people' crap has completely taken over politics.<BR/><BR/>Meanwhile, Black Panther and Namor are completely hosed. They've invaded the US on Cap's word, and Cap sold their asses out. Nice. (Aside: I can't imagine how they can bring T'Challa into the FF, unless the FF is permanently on the run.)<BR/><BR/>The one positive I'm taking out of the Civil War is that it's cemented me as a Luke Cage fan. The best moment of all the books was in New Avengers #22.<BR/>Luke: I'm going to raise my kid right.<BR/>Iron Man: What does that mean?<BR/>Luke: It's too bad you don't know.<BR/>Hell yeah!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-37065908788805802352007-03-01T02:16:00.000-08:002007-03-01T02:16:00.000-08:00Have to agree with you here dave especially on the...Have to agree with you here dave especially on the one point. <BR/><BR/>Super hero's should act like good guys. <BR/><BR/>Nothing has pissed me off more then this in comics nowadays. I want to read about good guys. Writers seem to think that making superheroes into dicks= good characterization. <BR/><BR/> Hell Dc did the exact same thing with that identity crisis crap and infinte crisis.<BR/><BR/>I don't care about any morally ambigious lines. I want to see iron man and cap beating the crap out of ultron then hanging out at the avengers mansion. Yes it's not realistic but so is a ton of crap in the marvel U. There's a guy in a big ass purple helmet that eats planets for chrissakes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-335043142358264012007-02-28T22:07:00.000-08:002007-02-28T22:07:00.000-08:00Re: Patrick from above.Did they really use 53 as t...Re: Patrick from above.<BR/>Did they really use 53 as the number of civilian deaths in NYC? That's 1 more than 52. <BR/><BR/>IN YOUR FACE, DC!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-13341778619265669422007-02-28T19:21:00.000-08:002007-02-28T19:21:00.000-08:00Doom would make Clonehalla.And verily it would roc...Doom would make Clonehalla.<BR/><BR/>And verily it would rock.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11827637.post-92081260400861343132007-02-28T18:23:00.000-08:002007-02-28T18:23:00.000-08:00Regarding mutants... Bishop got a nice Cap'n A boo...Regarding mutants... Bishop got a nice Cap'n A boot to the back of his head.<BR/><BR/>Face-down IN the sidewalk. Kinda hardcore.Westhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06305755944694741335noreply@blogger.com